Curse

Vanquisher · Mar 27, 2006, 12:25 PM // 12:25

Wasn't Platemail horrible anyway?

Sekkira · Mar 27, 2006, 12:28 PM // 12:28

If you don't need the energy, platemail is better than Gladiators.

dont feel no pain · Mar 27, 2006, 12:32 PM // 12:32

*crys over my 15k platemail*

OrangeArrow · Mar 27, 2006, 01:47 PM // 13:47

If armor swapping isnt nerfed and all Kurzick and Luxons armors have the same skin, I suspect PvE Toons used in PvP will rebuy their armor in factions along with a few additional sets to get a slight unknown armor advanatge.

So any armor your wearing now you might want to consider trading in for new armor in chapter 2.

Sekkira · Mar 27, 2006, 02:50 PM // 14:50

Armour swapping for a warrior isn't really that much of an issue, or to put it in better terms, pretty useless. What matters for a PvE warrior is the helmet swapping. Heavy DP, you might wanna switch to a minor, facing hexes, HoD helm, DP + hexes, HoD minor helm.

DakAtak · Mar 27, 2006, 02:58 PM // 14:58

Don't cry, Platemail's stats will be changed to match Dreadnaught's... Book it. Platemail = Dreadnaught's just like Tiger's Fury = Bestial Fury. Think of it as the double skills, this is Factions version of Platemail (and Prophecies future version).

Toll Booth Willie · Mar 27, 2006, 03:12 PM // 15:12

I have seen this in past games where players try to hold the gaming company to higher standards than an average business. Did you expect them to just put out an exact copy of prophecies and name it factions? Sorry, but if they want to create a demand for factions they have to give us reasons to buy it, i.e. new armors/skins/maps/skills etc. I'm sure the goal is to try and make the advantages of factions just enough that players want to buy it, but not so much that the non-buyers riot. I think they did well.

P.S. You guys treat every statement made by anyone at a-net like it is the FED chairman.

DakAtak · Mar 27, 2006, 03:17 PM // 15:17

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Originally Posted by Toll Booth Willie

I have seen this in past games where players try to hold the gaming company to higher standards than an average business. Did you expect them to just put out an exact copy of prophecies and name it factions? Sorry, but if they want to create a demand for factions they have to give us reasons to buy it, i.e. new armors/skins/maps/skills etc. I'm sure the goal is to try and make the advantages of factions just enough that players want to buy it, but not so much that the non-buyers riot. I think they did well.

P.S. You guys treat every statement made by anyone at a-net like it is the FED chairman.

I agree with this point, but not in this case. Platemail will be changed to match Dreadnaught's. It can't be any more obvious. Stop proclaiming doom and gloom, this is a good sign for Platemail fans.

Bleidd · Mar 27, 2006, 03:51 PM // 15:51

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Originally Posted by DakAtak

...this is a good sign for Platemail fans.

All three of us. ^^ Seriously though, regardless of what happens in Factions, it'll be refreshing to see Warriors in something other than the standard Glad + Knights Boots.

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Originally Posted by Sekkira

If you don't need the energy, platemail is better than Gladiators.

I'm still trying to figure out if its the herd animal mentality again, or if I've simply not encountered a situation where +7 energy would make or break me. Kind of like that extra -1 from Knights/Ascalon. I guess some people just feel the need to have every statistical advantage possible. Which is fine with me, they have no real excuse when my Plate Warrior/Geo Armour Elementalist tears them a new one.

Markaedw · Mar 27, 2006, 04:06 PM // 16:06

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Originally Posted by Bleidd

I'm still trying to figure out if its the herd animal mentality again, or if I've simply not encountered a situation where +7 energy would make or break me. Kind of like that extra -1 from Knights/Ascalon. I guess some people just feel the need to have every statistical advantage possible. Which is fine with me, they have no real excuse when my Plate Warrior/Geo Armour Elementalist tears them a new one.

plate mail: 85+10
galdiator: 80+20+7 energy

The math itself shows that gladiator armor is better plus having higher energy means I can use an energy attack build. As soon as I meet an opponent I have skill attacks included skill interupts, no geomancer attacks. On top of wich in PvE I don't have the charge mentality, I want to attack on full energy too, adrenlaline is back up to my energy.

knights boots, put on a shield stance and absorbtion rune, I see a lot of zeros when I am being hit.

Toll Booth Willie · Mar 27, 2006, 04:07 PM // 16:07

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Originally Posted by Bleidd

I'm still trying to figure out if its the herd animal mentality again, or if I've simply not encountered a situation where +7 energy would make or break me. Kind of like that extra -1 from Knights/Ascalon. I guess some people just feel the need to have every statistical advantage possible. Which is fine with me, they have no real excuse when my Plate Warrior/Geo Armour Elementalist tears them a new one.

There have been tons of time i have needed that +7nrg. When running a hammer or any energy heavy build (gale b4 nerf) the +7 is very noticable to me and there is no comparison of it to plate for that reason alone.

super dooper · Mar 27, 2006, 04:12 PM // 16:12

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Originally Posted by Sekkira

If you don't need the energy, platemail is better than Gladiators.

100 vs. physical, 80 vs. elemental, +energy

95 vs. physical, 85 vs. elemental

the energy far outweighs an extra 5 armor vs. elemental :P

+10 is a little better, but then I still think Gladiator's (+energy), or Berserker's (+health), will be chosen over it. then if your strength is 13+ Platemail gets owned again by Sentinels.

eudas · Mar 27, 2006, 04:17 PM // 16:17

it's called power creep, and it happens in every game, even the vaunted m:tg that they refer to.

eudas

DakAtak · Mar 27, 2006, 04:22 PM // 16:22

This thread isn't supposed to be a Glad's vs. Platemail thread. All hardcore PvPers know that Glad's is superior and your arguments validate the fact that Plate will be buffed as seen in Dreadnought's. That being said, even if we do see this buff it could be argued that Glad's is STILL better. All the more reason to do it I say.

super dooper · Mar 27, 2006, 04:30 PM // 16:30

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Originally Posted by DakAtak

This thread isn't supposed to be a Glad's vs. Platemail thread. All hardcore PvPers know that Glad's is superior and your arguments validate the fact that Plate will be buffed as seen in Dreadnought's.

indeed, while it may not be a comparison thread per se, it is a 'is Platemail the worst armor choice for a warrior?' thread, and as you say, even with this buff, it could still just be a 'blah' armor, not terrible, but certainly not a first choice. especially with the introduction of Berserker's and Sentinel's. it may have stood out a little bit more if not for the introduction of those 2 armors. :[

crazy diamond · Mar 27, 2006, 06:09 PM // 18:09

I just hope that when they update it that it also updates the sets being worn.

Last time they altered the armors it only changed the ones you could buy, not the ones people already had. It's the reason I switched from plate to Knights. I had no steel on me for a new suit of plate, so I just used all my spare iron for Knights.

Pissed me off quite a bit that I was expected to cough up the dough and mats for a whole other set of plate if I wanted the new improved stats.

Y.T. · Mar 27, 2006, 08:48 PM // 20:48

platemail is town clothes imho - almost any other armor has better stats than platemail... but as long as we dont have town clothes it'll be crafted alot i guess

TheShadowedBlade · Mar 27, 2006, 09:02 PM // 21:02

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Originally Posted by Bleidd

It would be nice but in all honesty it doesn't matter to me. My Warrior shall remain in full plate armour. It makes every victory that much sweeter when you don't have every statistical advantage going for you.

I concur

Arkantos · Mar 27, 2006, 09:04 PM // 21:04

For the people who dont have factions, they can use platemail instead.

TheShadowedBlade · Mar 27, 2006, 09:04 PM // 21:04

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Originally Posted by super dooper

100 vs. physical, 80 vs. elemental, +energy

95 vs. physical, 85 vs. elemental

the energy far outweighs an extra 5 armor vs. elemental :P

You forget that Gladiators looks like crap.